What am I doing wrong?

[em8732]

Hello all,

After deliberating for many months, I decided to purchase my first mind machine, choosing the Kasina device.

I was particularly in a MindPlace machine, especially after reading the description of one of their programs:

This session was designed to gently guide you towards hypnagogia, that magical half-dream, half-awake state sought after by many explorers of deep states of consciousness.

I'm quite familiar with altered states and I'm blessed to already have had so many experiences, usually induced via meditation with a high rate of success after doing a WBTB.

My interest in buying a mind machine was to find an easier way to induce a deep state of trance for subconscious exploration.

I've tried various programs including the Alphabet one mentioned above.

I'm genuinely surprised and feeling somewhat deflated that it so far hasn't lived up to what I have read from others. I don't even know what I could be doing wrong. I have both sets of glasses and I even tried to induce a deep trance state after a WBTB, but to no avail.

Has anyone else had a similar experience but then managed to make it work for them?

I'm feeling particularly bummed out given how expensive it is. I've had substantially better results using Rosamund Pike's Lumenate app. I only looked into getting a mind machine because I found trying to hold the phone a faff and thought wearing something was a much better idea. But so far it hasn't delivered

[ByChance]

I haven't gotten my anticipated effects either.
I was hoping it would help with dreaming.

[Mymonkeymind]

I recently purchased the bundle as well. I have been using it daily several times a day and for sleep for the last week or so. I?ve gotten some positive effects but for me I think it is going to take time for MyMonkey mind to be pushed out and allowing my brain more freedom. I?ve been able to stop panic attacks which is certainly something I was looking for. Imagery has been limited but seems I?m experiencing short episodes. I?m doing the 30 day meditation challenge to get me started.

Has anything changed for you?

Have you tried Spectra in Mind Art?

[opali0s]

Same with me. I got it after using Lumenate and thought that the mind machine would have a stronger effect.

The machine is good but the support on Kasina on how to use it is not great. I don't mean what button to press, but what sessions help with what, how often etc etc all you get is a single line with a high level description of the default sessions.

And then you need to search this forum and piece the info together by yourself, trying to match advice here with the default programs.

The thing is I have a long hours stressful job, 2 young children, it's hard enough to get the time to do sessions.

Having to try and figure out even the basics on how best use programs it's just not possible.

I am very disappointed if I am honest. A little more documentation would have made the kasina experience so much better and would help people much more. So far it's only made my stress worse.

[yentzee]

while i had amazing results using it on psychedelics i did not have any clue what exactly i was doing. I also would love to have all necessary information together to use it properly (sober not just to get great visuals). a get you started guide would be awesome. same here... long demanding job, learning to play bass, growing mushrooms, having a wife, socializing. there is little time to get an expert on neuroscience