I have been seeding emails to get my activation keys and so far nothing no response. I am so annoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordks
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I have been seeding emails to get my activation keys and so far nothing no response. I am so annoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordks
They have every right in the world to shut down, but what tee'd me off is that they said they were going to be up for another year, and then shut down before I could back up my activation codes. :angry4:
I'm in the same boat - I didn't suspect for a second that the license list and activation codes would disappear. I haven't found the codes yet, but still could (50/50 at best).Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeV
I'm also shocked they wouldn't go to the effort to get the existing product to just recompile and run. I understand it isn't a requirement (keeping license codes available and the ability to reactive, I think has more implied commitment). Yes, it might be a pain, but once the root cause is understood, these are not big projects. I speak from experience regarding complex windows server software that has lived in production, and still does, since the mid 90s (out of my hands long, long, ago, though I've answered questions from time to time).
I paid, then upgraded to TCN when announced, and paid every year. Then, today, just a 'we're no longer here' message. I just think Adam and team could handle the legacy much better with a little effort.
So, it's sharm, some code I wrote, etc..... I think a couple dozen audacity plugins could probably handle much of the MWS workload. I already used audacity for quite a few steps and have external programs that inject effects MWS didn't provide. I'm sure there are other audio editing / engineering tools that also could be a good platform.
If a crowdfunding project emerges, this is what I suggest. Starting from scratch is a long road to even get where Sharm is.
Best,
Dan
Okay ANDY,
I followed your advice; Got the Virtual-ware___ Downloaded my Windows 7 sp1 into the Virtual machine___ just to discover that I could NOT register my Transparent Corp. software to reactive it... Anywhere...............
Ive GOT all of my activation codes for my all of my Transparent software; and NOTHING..!:icon_cry:
Well, its over; That's it.. My MindWork's Station Professional 1.6, Mindstereo 1.3, Though-Sounds 1, 2, and 3, all of my meticulously stored Transparent periphery software and plugins.... DEAD..
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Remember when you told me to take the action I did in order to get this TRANSPARENT CORP software online, after I asked you if there was anything comparable other than MWS..?
The copyright is long gone away from the software anyway, so I really don't see why he doesn't just unlock it for the people who purchased it?
I THOUGHT I had TIME..
Damn Shame
Reno
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Originally Posted by JoeV
It ani't right Bro.. I thought I had time too; then this dishonorable mess..
My panic has transformed into righteous indignation when I discovered there was no place to register my Software.. He needs to let MWS go if he's going to do people like that.. I hope that dude remember what KARMA is...
YEAH..! What so difficult about making an attempt at a little courtesy...???:eusa_eh:Quote:
Originally Posted by chetday
JoeV,Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeV
How did we all get off the IDEA of using VMWARE or VIRTUAL-BOX to get Transparent Corp. Mind Workstation Software working on that platform anyway...?!!
Come on bro, don't give up so easy.. I went through the HEADACHE of learning how to install and operate Virtual Machine Software; you could at least unlock that software for those who paid for it to get it working again to operate it on a Virtual machine..
Come on bro.. Don't roll over like this man....
Has anyone here attempted to Delete the Transparent Corp Software from their hard drives YET..? It wont even Delete...?! This is serious dereliction of duty by the human beings at that company..
We will never forget what type of business man this Adam Hewett of Transparent Corp is..
JoeV, unfortunately your activation codes may not apply more if installing your programs on another computer or operating system because I recently changed computer and operating system from Win 7 to win 10 and the previous codes were not working , fortunately in that period the assistance of TC was still working . Now after that MWS ,neuro programmer 3, and mind stereo ; no longer work on win 10 , I tried the activation on a virtual machine but the latest attivation key not working:angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeV
I ask myself this: we who have purchased software from TC we have no right??? If I buy a book ,after reading the put in a shelf of My Library to read it a second time ,even if the writer in the meantime died. Instead now that TC has closed every activity and support , I find myself with software that (i paid) ; and that now is practically unusable , because none , will provide more us , new activation keys
I haven't tried installing MWS on a VM, but I have used my activation code over the years on half a dozen or more computers with no limitation issues... the problem is with Win 10, I think .net framework, and Adam told me that all of their software was based upon the same code-base, which included third party code no longer supported by those providers.
In my opinion, they sold perpetual licenses. They clearly stated you could use any purchased version indefinitely. The ongoing programs like TCN were for future updates.
Now they claim they no longer support or *license* the software. They are effectively retroactively removing licenses people purchased.
If transparentcorp is still in business, as I assume they are, just having moved on to greener pastures, they should be pressured to fix this. Adam Hewitt and co have to worry for the next few years that someone with a 'perpetual license' can't use the product he sold. When you sell a long term license, there is a commitment that it works at least as well as under the conditions originally delivered. Shutting down a license process, if that happened, deliberately impairs existing licensees. Like me, many infrequent users will pop up and find this problem.
We should retain the ability to run/install the software on operating systems and environments consistent with when we acquired it. That minimal legacy 'support' for existing customers isn't asking much. In fact, just keep the license server, key list, and download pages online...
I also have the issue that I have the original key (I don't think it changed, but I'm not sure their key server is live anyway), but saved only the original download, even though the software had been updated several times. I don't recall it changed much, but I would like to be able to get the latest version that I licensed, though it was my bad for assuming they were honorable and reputable.
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Originally Posted by dan_hoog
The GOOD members here in this Mind Place forum , have been very, very, patient with this entire matter, right down to learning, operating, and installing NEW (Virtual Machine) Software Applications for their FULLY PURCHASED Transparent Software to work. !!
I too purchased MWS PROFESSIONAL and attempted to install on my Virtual Machine software (Following Andy's Written advice via this forum in this posting) just to discover that the Site has been prematurely completely down..
In the past, I was able to reactive my FULLY PURCHASED ($700 plus Software) when upgrading to new computers also;
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Look JoeV/ Adam Hewitt..
The people here aren't asking for much, they just want the Software they PAID FOR working on their computers; We're are even making (time consuming) compromises to get this software to work.. THERE IS A SOLUTION, THERE IS A SOLUTION.
Have anyone here attempted to UNINSTALL this Software YET.. IT WONT EVEN Uninstall...! What Gives..? [ POST EDITED AT THE REQUEST OF ADMINISTRATOR ]
Something is SO not right.. Please Don't take advantage of Good people here.
It's over. There is no more Transparent, and it looks like the software cannot be activated when installed on another machine or OS.
Time to move on and look to new solutions for creating AS/SS content.
Personally, I've given up on my copy of MWS and NP3 and am investigating the possibility of creating a SS DAW plug-in which I think would be the fastest and easiest way forward. There probably is one for AS already; there's certainly plenty of AS creation software out there, so SS is the main issue, even though there are ways to create SS content using MuLab and Audacity, I'd like to see something that works with Reaper and other favourite DAW software.
I will never get over the fact that I paid for the software and I cant use it any more at list they should respond my email and give me accesses to my keys and program I get a virtual machine and use it there. I never will do business with than againQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy
in the mean time
https://www.topbestalternatives.com/mind-workstation/ a list with 11 alternatives how ever none very good the hole biofeedback implemented with brainwave was a good idea now I hope someone come up with something better.
Hi Robert Austin ,In the course of these past years I had , 2 computer crash , and moreover I changed 2 times the operating system .After having purchased: Neuro programr 2 , Brain Sound Studio ; AND BELOW : NP3, then MWS Pro and last Mind Stereo . After each computer crash or changing the operating system , the activation keys i received with the purchase of licenses do not work any more, and to every reinstallation of the software TC supplied me quickly the new keys . I register on my computer and on paper all the activation keys of any software that purchase ... I do not know how it worked for you or for other ......:dontknow:
I am yet another person who bought the $700 package who is upset.
OK. We got screwed. How about we Kickstarter something? All the alternatives for creating commercial content are sub par to what Transparent produced.
1. We could Kickstarter a replacement software solution. The science is not that hard.
2. We could Kickstarter a Hack. We bought it. Lets get someone to crack the security and allow us to keep using our software on either Windows 7 machines or Windows 7 Virtual Machines.
Thoughts?
In the meantime...
I suggest a group effort to preserve everything we can. Downloaded install files of various revision levels. Archived materials from the Members Area. Etc.
We bought licenses that last forever. I do not see any legal jeopardy in us working together to archive the paid for material and even crack the security. We would only enter legal jeopardy if we started selling it (the software, not our content) or giving it away.
If there is interest I will donate a domain for depositing the files. We can even member lock it to prevent mass distribution.
Lets preserve what we have the legal right to. Then figure the next step. I am not ready to lose access to this tech. Its too damn useful and nothing on the market compares.
This is a great Idea just post the link to the to the domain and I will put there all my material I have gathered inklusive licence key.Thank you:eusa_dance:
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Originally Posted by kiadragon
Purchased the domain name yesterday. My server guys are setting up the site on my server.
Selecting a WordPress CMS and installing Friday. Will keep you updated.
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Originally Posted by Thalassa
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Originally Posted by Renovartia
I am not affiliated, and have not been affiliated with Transparent Corp. for many years. I'm in the same boat is you bro.Quote:
Look JoeV/ Adam Hewitt..
The people here aren't asking for much, they just want the Software they PAID FOR working on their computers; We're are even making (time consuming) compromises to get this software to work.. THERE IS A SOLUTION, THERE IS A SOLUTION.
At first this was my thought as well. Upon further contemplation I realize that such a venture would take at least a year or two and a lot of effort. Assembling some kind of a business plan to assure investors that a profit can be made on such a venture would be a dubious task. There would be no guarantee that such a venture would result in the same outcome as Transparent Corp.Quote:
I am yet another person who bought the $700 package who is upset.
OK. We got screwed. How about we Kickstarter something? All the alternatives for creating commercial content are sub par to what Transparent produced.
1. We could Kickstarter a replacement software solution. The science is not that hard.
2. We could Kickstarter a Hack. We bought it. Lets get someone to crack the security and allow us to keep using our software on either Windows 7 machines or Windows 7 Virtual Machines.
Thoughts?
I agree with this. This would be the fastest way to get some semblance of a MWS replacement relatively cheap. I am leaning towards Reaper. It is a very powerful DAW, very cheap if not free, and very plastic. It can be molded to any form you want, and the developers seem to encourage that. The only problem is that it is very complex. The learning curve would be quite an undertaking as is. Making a commercially available product would be a customer service nightmare. Best solution would be shareware and leave the training to use the product mostly in the hands of the user.Quote:
Time to move on and look to new solutions for creating AS/SS content.
Personally, I've given up on my copy of MWS and NP3 and am investigating the possibility of creating a SS DAW plug-in which I think would be the fastest and easiest way forward. There probably is one for AS already; there's certainly plenty of AS creation software out there, so SS is the main issue, even though there are ways to create SS content using MuLab and Audacity, I'd like to see something that works with Reaper and other favourite DAW software.
PDF copies of NP3 and MWS Help Documentation. A wealth of information here.Quote:
I suggest a group effort to preserve everything we can. Downloaded install files of various revision levels. Archived materials from the Members Area. Etc.
We bought licenses that last forever. I do not see any legal jeopardy in us working together to archive the paid for material and even crack the security. We would only enter legal jeopardy if we started selling it (the software, not our content) or giving it away.
If there is interest I will donate a domain for depositing the files. We can even member lock it to prevent mass distribution.
Lets preserve what we have the legal right to. Then figure the next step. I am not ready to lose access to this tech. Its too damn useful and nothing on the market compares.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5f99ez53yx...81%29.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aiftd3i9k3...81%29.pdf?dl=0
NP3 sessions that can be imported into MWS for those who still have it running
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0e8bhdxqmc...erapy.zip?dl=0
Anything I can do to help. I feel your pain.
Purchased the domain name yesterday. My server guys are setting up the site on my server.
Selecting a WordPress CMS and installing Friday. Will keep you updated.
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I'm glad you are doing this. I'd be happy to donate small amounts from time to time to help with cost of ops hosting and support software.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiadragon
I suggest that general membership is completely open to read/discuss/problem solve and continually bash the transparent team until they come to their senses.
Access to any shared downloads of transparent should be restricted to people that provide a copy of a purchase receipt or similar evidence of license associated with the identity / email they register with. Any page with files for upload/download should say clearly that responsibility of upload/download is held by the individuals participating (though only available to certified tc users as mentioned).
One step further would be if people can upload working VMs with key software installed for few VM player environments. Since the software doesn't activate, downloading the raw files might not be helpful. This requires some thought around proof-of-license for the underlying OS as well. If the player only runs on Windows, maybe that would be sufficient. Some research is needed.
It would be worth asking Adam if he would sanction this, without participating in any way. One step up, letting this group run the license server and support key management for registered users. Yet another step, if they would provide source code for use by licensed users, or to open source, that would be even better. With the source code, a version that works on Windows 10 could be created with far less effort than recreating the functionality.
I've used wishlistmember before and its pretty easy to set up with security controls needed for a public / semi-public / private site. I'm sure there are many other similar tools.
Best,
Dan
Very noble Dan. I don’t think Adam can do much even if he wanted to. My recent correspondence with him revealed that he does not have much control over what the former Transparent Corp does. It is now brain.fm with many board members. Adam is now concentrating on research funded by a sizable federal grant.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_hoog
Hi Joev did you give up on the idea of setting up kickstarter to recreate WMS? please don't set up a pageQuote:
Originally Posted by JoeV
Hi all, I'm a computer expert of sorts (System Admin) but NOT a programmer. Anyway, I have identified that Mind Workstation and NeuroProgrammer are protected with a software virtualization system that is meant to keep people from looking at it's code. Also, it has that hardware-specific activation license that can't activate anymore since they took the license servers down. It effectively has 2 protection locks on it but they both can be broken, they are not one of a couple that are practically impossible to break. I know enough to explain to someone what needs done but lack the skill to do it. This doesn't take into account any legality. Basically, a skilled software reverser could, in theory, remove the virtualization protection and remove any need for activation (effectively making it just setup and work in Pro or ultimate). If this was all complete the program would probably never work correctly under windows 10 unless someone went to extra effort to figure out the .NET error and work around it, which I believe is most likely not even feasible. The issue is I don't know anyone personally, and while I could purchase such services online, well... the places are shady. However, it can be fixed, I personally believe Adam wouldn't have the skills to reverse engineer his protections like some guys would. And the thing is they would only be willing to help for money and I don't know how much. I'm at a point where I'm throwing in the towel, I'm just backup recording all the built-in sessions for personal use through a Windows 7 Virtual Machine OS and then gonna forget about it.
Hi all, been reading this forum for a while and I'm as well affected by the inability to reactivate my NP3 copy. It seems that some members have working copies of both NP3 and MWS. My suggestion is this: There is a way to convert a physical computer into a virtual machine. You just need the right software to do so. The idea I have is to guide the members of this forums willing to participate and having working copies of both programs to convert their machines into virtual ones and distribute them among the affected. In this way we can continue using the software we paid for while we wait for a solution from TC or Adam (unlikely to happen, unfortunately). This won't be piracy since all of us paid for our licenses. A way to distribute the VMs would be for a member to show proof of purchase and then a link to download it will be shared. Let me know your thoughts about this.
I agree with this assessment for a few reasons. First, the DMCA prohibits tampering with most copy protection schemes. I'm not sure if demonstrated ownership helps if the solution is reaching other people. Second, the technical approach to breaking the software isn't known until you get there. This could be an afternoon for a skilled and motived individual, or an endless rabbit hole that doesn't reach a result. You can't really know without trying.
I recommend the re-distribution of working VMs to validated members. Frankly, the best thing is for Transparent Corp and its original team to make this happen or at least explicitly condone it. A W7 (or even earlier W10) VM with working software would bridge most people's issues.
Meanwhile, be sure to buy the minimum brain.fm trial, including on ios/android, and review whenever possible based on how happy you are with the company. How can anyone trust the validity of current/future products, when they overtly walk away from perpetual licenses they sold for years, knowingly hobbling those past licenses.
The closest competitor is SHARM. I've owned both forever, so I will phase that in for new work. Some of the precise control, modulation methods, and 3D effects, are MWS only, as I recall. I haven't checked SHARM in a long time.
As for Adam essentially saying I don't really do that anymore, I think that is a smokescreen. All we are asking is for his help voicing a strong opinion to the TC/brain.fm team and sway a tiny accommodation and effort. They have the software to keep legacy license server and download services online. No one is asking for them to re-launch an updated product... The response sounds like he's checked out on his own reputation to me. If he said he pushed X, Y, Z, relentlessly and no one budged, I might change my opinion.
Best,
Dan
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Originally Posted by secretsnow
I have a working MWS Version on one of my Laptops.(Windows 10)
Now my qiestion is there a Software with which I could make a transferable clone to another Pc so I could put it here?
Hi Thalassa,
If you follow this guide, you will be able to convert your laptop into a Virtual Machine:
https://www.joe0.com/2017/09/27/how-...rtual-machine/
You will use only free or open source software, so no cost for you. This will generate a file you can share with other people for them to have a working copy of MWS.
Does anyone have a working copy of NP3 Ultimate Edition as well? You can follow exactly the same procedure explained in the link go to generate a working VM (Virtual Machine).
Please let us know if you need any help with the process and I'll be happy to assist.
Haven't given up on the idea entirely. My first priority is to get something up and running quickly as I make a living doing this stuff. That seems to be a DAW plugin which might not cost all that much. Once I have a back up plan in place, I can set my sights on bigger and better things.Quote:
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Great I hope it works .
Will be trying this tonight Thank You
There might be a problem with the size because the MWS Laptop is packed with other programs but we'll see.Maybe there's an option to choose only MWS tranfer to the Virtual Machine
Hi Thalassa,
I'd suggest making a virtual machine including everything as it is now on your physical laptop. After it's done, you can start the VM and remove all the unnecessary programs and just leave MWS before sharing it.
Hope it helps. Let me know if you require further assistance...
Hi Matrod
I need a little help.
I have created the .VHDX file which is 115 Gb in size.How do I boot from it so I can change the size to the MWS Program only?
OOps I found out I've created the wrong file will do again and try to make it smaller tomorrow.
Time to get some sleep now.
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I get the following error in the oracle box when trying to mount:
Fr die virtuelle Maschine MWS konnte keine neue Sitzung erffnet werden.
Failed to open image 'L:\PC-MOBIL MWS.VHD' for writing due to wrong permissions (VERR_VD_IMAGE_READ_ONLY).
AHCI: Failed to attach drive to Port0 (VERR_VD_IMAGE_READ_ONLY).
Fehlercode: E_FAIL (0x80004005) Komponente: ConsoleWrap Interface: IConsole {872da645-4a9b-1727-bee2-5585105b9eed}
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Well I finally managed to open the file in Oracle Box.How do I proceed to remove everything except MWS do I just uninstall in the OracleBox simulation will this remove it on the original file I want to share after?Quote:
Originally Posted by matrod
Hi Matrod
Finally I have now a Vhd file that is 37Gb . But I have no cloud account that is big enough to share it here. And I guess it's also to big to just share it here in the forum?
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Originally Posted by matrod
It is too large a file for the forum or support site.
Also, although the legality of sharing the MWS software is probably not an issue since the company no longer exists, there still could be issues for sharing copies of Windows, which I'm sure is not something MS would allow.
Hi Thalassa,
Good to know and sorry for the late reply. The idea is just to uninstall everything that is not MWS and leave just that on the virtual machine. You can even reduce the virtual hard disk size to a more manageable one using this guide: https://www.howtogeek.com/312883/how...up-disk-space/
When the VM is ready, you can share it using a service like this: https://www.filemail.com/. You only need to select the "Send as link" option and the file will be available for download for 7 days.
Regarding the Windows license usage, as we are going to be using this just to make MWS work, I don't see any issues with Windows licensing, as long it is for personal use and we all have a legal Windows 10 license (they are backwards compatible as far as I know). Of course, if you have doubts about the legality of this, you are free not to share the file and just conserve the VM for backup purposes...
Let me know if you have any questions.