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    I've been experimenting with inner conciousness for a long time, sometimes taking very long breaks, sometimes achieving great experiences.

    What is interesting to me is the state of bliss, absolute acceptance, absolute wisdom with no doubts whatsoever. With the Procyon delta/theta sessions it is rather easy to reenter that state, thought after the session ends, beta starts kicking in and in a hour or two I can totally forget the state that was and usual life problems/ disturbances start kicking in.

    So, my question is - is it possible to keep that state when your eyes are open and you are living the usual daily life?
    Are "enlightened ones" those, who succeed in doing it? I think it is possible for anyone to achieve it, but is it possible to keep it flowing?

    Did someone here manage to achieve that kind of state and prolong it for the day, during conversations with people, in short, live the usual life with it?

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    Hi,

    There's a practice called "Open Focus", presented by Les Fermi in his series of CDs. Although he specialises it into a variety of coaching-type sessions, the principle is one whereby you learn to apply the expanded consciousness anywhere, anytime. It's not new or original, but Fermi does a great job of making it accessible.

    I've found it interesting to "switch" in and out of it during normal activities, gaining confidence in just how much I can rely on my non-conscious to deal with mundane "stuff", calling on my consciousness only to deal with interesting stuff. I'm enjoying finding that there's a lot of things that used to bother me that simply don't require me to be bothered.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks for the link Craig, did you use the book or the audio programme to learn the technique? I've downloaded some introducory mp3's off their site, the concept sounds interesting.

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    I had the opportunity to listen to some of Les Fermi's CDs. Basically I had been doing much the same sort of thing of my own accord, and was pleased to find that someone else had found the same techniques effective. Fermi conveys the technique far better than I ever could have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planeswalker View Post
    I've been experimenting with inner conciousness for a long time, sometimes taking very long breaks, sometimes achieving great experiences.

    What is interesting to me is the state of bliss, absolute acceptance, absolute wisdom with no doubts whatsoever. With the Procyon delta/theta sessions it is rather easy to reenter that state, thought after the session ends, beta starts kicking in and in a hour or two I can totally forget the state that was and usual life problems/ disturbances start kicking in.
    Nice!

    So, my question is - is it possible to keep that state when your eyes are open and you are living the usual daily life?
    There are times when this state of mind is not conducive to a life situation. While it's very useful to be able to maintain a calm mind always and in doing so you have better access to wisdom, there are times when having doubts is a good thing and absolute acceptance is not in your best interest.

    I think that if one was to always be in a state of bliss they would cease to grow because they would likely lack the motivation to learn something new. The state of bliss is a perception in time and space - much like a photograph. It is a static state ... one that is unmoving. It's a good place to visit but life requires others states of consciousness from us as well.

    I wonder what you mean by the term "absolute wisdom". I understand "wisdom" but have trouble with the word "absolute". It could be because I perceive wisdom as something that is continuous in it's flow and the word "absolute" indicates a final state, or a state of inertia. Wisdom would be a process and absolute would be a conclusion.

    Are "enlightened ones" those, who succeed in doing it? I think it is possible for anyone to achieve it, but is it possible to keep it flowing?
    I think it depends upon what one considers to be enlightenment. That word means different things to different groups of people. I think that as soon as someone thinks they are enlightened - if they truly are enlightened - they will quickly realize that enlightenment is a plateau they have reached on an ever-shifting landscape. One thinks they reach the top of the mountain only to look up and see they only reached the top of a hill leading to the mountain.


    On a different note, going back to that state of mind that you first mentioned, it's would be good for you to remember how you got there and what it is like being there so that you can recreate that state at will. I think it can be a very useful state to have in the toolbox.

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    There are times when this state of mind is not conducive to a life situation. While it's very useful to be able to maintain a calm mind always and in doing so you have better access to wisdom, there are times when having doubts is a good thing and absolute acceptance is not in your best interest.
    I think that if one was to always be in a state of bliss they would cease to grow because they would likely lack the motivation to learn something new.
    Indeed, this state of bliss is for example, very bad for survival in fight-or-flight situations, where you need to act first and think later.
    But outside those, isn't it a boon to approach any activity with balanced state of mind and ability to make a fair judgement from situation, enjoying each moment of life as it comes to you?

    I think this is why people so often consume alcohol or drugs, because of the feelings of bliss and acceptance they receive from those, albeit fake and often learning to harm.

    On the other side of the spectrum however, there are eastern gurus that are supposingly constantly living in that state. Do you think that they stopped to grow and learn, or just learned how to truly follow the natural flow of events in life?

    The state of bliss is a perception in time and space - much like a photograph. It is a static state ... one that is unmoving. It's a good place to visit but life requires others states of consciousness from us as well.
    Hmm, if I understand you correctly here, you are meaning that state of bliss is similar to a moment of perception of something beautiful and insightful, similar to experience of "satori" gained from successfully understanding a Koan or Haiku...Is that so? This state of mind feels very similar to it, albeit it lasts longer than just a moment of understanding you can get by the methods described, that's why i thought that it may be possible to prolong it even further.

    I wonder what you mean by the term "absolute wisdom". I understand "wisdom" but have trouble with the word "absolute". It could be because I perceive wisdom as something that is continuous in it's flow and the word "absolute" indicates a final state, or a state of inertia. Wisdom would be a process and absolute would be a conclusion.
    Here by "absolute wisdom" I mean more an emotion, a feeling that you have just experienced someting so encompassing and complete, you have understanding of all questions of the universe.
    In reality of course, this is but a feeling - I think it can be the same for a person who can reach a state of mind where he feels so strong that he can lift a mountain, but if he actually tries it, he will be in for a huge disappointment .
    But even with that said, this feeling is very empowering and inspiring, while it lasts.


    I think it depends upon what one considers to be enlightenment. That word means different things to different groups of people. I think that as soon as someone thinks they are enlightened - if they truly are enlightened - they will quickly realize that enlightenment is a plateau they have reached on an ever-shifting landscape. One thinks they reach the top of the mountain only to look up and see they only reached the top of a hill leading to the mountain.
    Yes, I think this process should feel like that too, I hope one day I will be able to tell about it from experience .

    On a different note, going back to that state of mind that you first mentioned, it's would be good for you to remember how you got there and what it is like being there so that you can recreate that state at will. I think it can be a very useful state to have in the toolbox.

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    Agreed, in a way i think of AVS usage as of training wheels on a bicycle, it amplifies your ability to change state of mind, but once you experience these states enough, i think it is quite possible to remember and practice to reenter them without stimulation from AVS, especially if to combine them with some of Qi-Gong/ Yoga like practices.

    Oh, and sorry for the wall of text

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planeswalker View Post
    Indeed, this state of bliss is for example, very bad for survival in fight-or-flight situations, where you need to act first and think later.
    In a state of bliss - I'm thinking that one doesn't really care about outcomes because all is good so it wouldn't work well in most life situations. I'm saying - Bliss is a wonderful state - it just has it's time and place.

    But outside those, isn't it a boon to approach any activity with balanced state of mind and ability to make a fair judgment from situation, enjoying each moment of life as it comes to you?
    I would say it is - but that is balance not necessarily bliss.

    I think this is why people so often consume alcohol or drugs, because of the feelings of bliss and acceptance they receive from those, albeit fake and often learning to harm.
    Depends - for those prone to addiction it's more to escape pain. For those who use "recreationally" sometimes it's for the "bliss" and sometimes it's for energy or numbing (depends on the drug). Ecstasy would be a "bliss" drug (and is a double-edged sword because of the consequences to the brain after use). Alcohol temporarily raises serotonin levels which produces a good mood and lowers inhibitions. Fights usually occur after the "happy" period because serotonin can drop quite suddenly and that makes a person edgy.

    On the other side of the spectrum however, there are eastern gurus that are supposing constantly living in that state. Do you think that they stopped to grow and learn, or just learned how to truly follow the natural flow of events in life?
    I would suspect that they are not always in this state of mind and it is likely a persona they wear in public. Even the Dalai Lama talks about the constant struggle for a balanced state. He has bad days just like everyone else. Things piss him off but the difference between him and the average Joe is that his training allows him to get control over an emotional state before it consumes him and he reframes it into something positive.

    The essential goal behind any mental training whether it take the form of spiritual, magickal or psychological is to be able to recognize ones emotional states (good or bad) and to act or not act as by choice instead of reaction.

    If bliss was a constant state, your mind would habituate to it and it would cease to feel like bliss.

    Hmm, if I understand you correctly here, you are meaning that state of bliss is similar to a moment of perception of something beautiful and insightful, similar to experience of "satori" gained from successfully understanding a Koan or Haiku...Is that so? This state of mind feels very similar to it, albeit it lasts longer than just a moment of understanding you can get by the methods described, that's why i thought that it may be possible to prolong it even further.
    Yes that is what I mean. I think it's possible to prolong it - I just don't think it's possible or even a good idea to remain in this state ... unless you don't have to participate in life. Having said that, I can think of circumstances where maintaining a state of bliss would be useful. For example, If you were stuck in a hospital bed, jail (though you may get beat up unless you could teach the other inmates how to do bliss), being held prisoner somewhere - anywhere where you need to pass long amounts of time.

    Oh to prolong it - here's a Richard Bandler NLP trick: Okay, in order for any feeling to continue imagine which way it flows into your body. Imagine this feeling flowing in and out of your body in a circular motion. Which direction is it going in? Check by trying to spin it one way and then the other way (clockwise then counter clockwise). One way the feeling should increase, the other way the feeling should diminish. Once you figure this out, you should be able to keep the feeling going by keeping the motion circulating. It also works good in getting rid of feelings you don't like.

    Here by "absolute wisdom" I mean more an emotion, a feeling that you have just experienced something so encompassing and complete, you have understanding of all questions of the universe.
    It's a nice, delusional state of mind. I recall going to that place quite a few times in the 80s.

    In reality of course, this is but a feeling - I think it can be the same for a person who can reach a state of mind where he feels so strong that he can lift a mountain, but if he actually tries it, he will be in for a huge disappointment .
    But even with that said, this feeling is very empowering and inspiring, while it lasts.
    It's even better if you do not put any thought to it and just experience it in the moment. In this state - understanding the universe is a state of being and has nothing to do with wisdom or thought. You can be one with the universe because you are living in the moment, which is another key to this state of mind.

    I don't see it as "enlightenment" I see it more as an Altered State of Consciousness (ASC). I can achieve this state at will and I am certainly no guru.

    Yes, I think this process should feel like that too, I hope one day I will be able to tell about it from experience .
    You have already experienced this state - you just didn't recognize it for what it was and it may have been fleeting. Everyone has experienced it and everyone will experience it - some just enjoy it while it lasts and then forget about it until the next time it happens. It's only a spiritual feeling if the person chooses to perceive it that way. Sometimes it is brought on by extreme stress - the brain shuts down and releases endorphins in hopes of self preservation (this is behind many stories of "seeing God").

    Agreed, in a way i think of AVS usage as of training wheels on a bicycle, it amplifies your ability to change state of mind, but once you experience these states enough, i think it is quite possible to remember and practice to reenter them without stimulation from AVS, especially if to combine them with some of Qi-Gong/ Yoga like practices.
    I think there are many paths to choose from - all leading to the same destination.

    Oh, and sorry for the wall of text
    Isn't that what forums are for?

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    In a state of bliss - I'm thinking that one doesn't really care about outcomes because all is good so it wouldn't work well in most life situations. I'm saying - Bliss is a wonderful state - it just has it's time and place.

    I would say it is - but that is balance not necessarily bliss.
    This is right, after experimenting with it further, i can tell that the condition that is more interesting is when the bliss starts to pass but you still feel very connected to the outside world and your inner world. I think it's more beneficial for the usual life than the feeling of pure enjoyment with no bounds. .

    The technique of Open-Focus mentioned by Craig earlier in this thread intersects with it strongly i think.



    I would suspect that they are not always in this state of mind and it is likely a persona they wear in public. Even the Dalai Lama talks about the constant struggle for a balanced state. He has bad days just like everyone else. Things piss him off but the difference between him and the average Joe is that his training allows him to get control over an emotional state before it consumes him and he reframes it into something positive.
    The essential goal behind any mental training whether it take the form of spiritual, magickal or psychological is to be able to recognize ones emotional states (good or bad) and to act or not act as by choice instead of reaction.
    Hmm, it is not very reassuring if even people like Dalai Llama have to constantly struggle with negative emotions, =( for some reason i'm quite sure that given enough practice, you can get rid of them alltogether, at least for the periods of solutude, where there are no strongly influencing outside negative factors. Isn't it mind over matter, after all?

    I agree about the act by choice decisions, and trying to do so in everyday life too. Only problem is the post-effect, sometimes even if you react propertly, after a while a feeling of negative reflection on the situation occurs, for example if one voluntarily chooses not to participate in discussion which turned into "fight for power" type argument, human nature still punishes you for backing down based on "alpha-beta-gamma" class system, even if the mind understands that there was no logical point or profit to be had from going with the pointless argument and winning it. I think that if I ever manage to reach some higher state of mind for everyday life, it will be much easier to stay out of such conflicts in life and never regret it, because you not only "think" its wise, but truly feel it constantly, which makes all the difference.

    If bliss was a constant state, your mind would habituate to it and it would cease to feel like bliss.
    Hmm, you may be right about this, what's interesting to me is this - using drugs weakens the bodily ability to generate endorphins, but what about meditative practices? I am practicing a bit modified taoist "Inner smile" technique for quite a few years to control my mood, and it's effect only grows stronger with time, the feeling is easier to reenter and feels more stable.
    While the overall sensation of this practice is weaker than the "connection to the universe" feeling, wouldn't that be the same if you kept reentering and practicing it?

    Yes that is what I mean. I think it's possible to prolong it - I just don't think it's possible or even a good idea to remain in this state ... unless you don't have to participate in life. Having said that, I can think of circumstances where maintaining a state of bliss would be useful. For example, If you were stuck in a hospital bed, jail (though you may get beat up unless you could teach the other inmates how to do bliss), being held prisoner somewhere - anywhere where you need to pass long amounts of time.
    Ouch, i think it'd be better to stay out of prison and hospital =).


    Oh to prolong it - here's a Richard Bandler NLP trick: Okay, in order for any feeling to continue imagine which way it flows into your body. Imagine this feeling flowing in and out of your body in a circular motion. Which direction is it going in? Check by trying to spin it one way and then the other way (clockwise then counter clockwise). One way the feeling should increase, the other way the feeling should diminish. Once you figure this out, you should be able to keep the feeling going by keeping the motion circulating. It also works good in getting rid of feelings you don't like.
    This sounds like the micro-cosmic orbit technique, but with different focus, it might work if i'll be able to shift focus to other condition, thank you for the suggestion


    It's a nice, delusional state of mind. I recall going to that place quite a few times in the 80s.


    It's even better if you do not put any thought to it and just experience it in the moment. In this state - understanding the universe is a state of being and has nothing to do with wisdom or thought. You can be one with the universe because you are living in the moment, which is another key to this state of mind.

    I don't see it as "enlightenment" I see it more as an Altered State of Consciousness (ASC). I can achieve this state at will and I am certainly no guru.
    Wow, if you practice since 80's then you may as well be one .
    Can you reenter it with same depth without AVS/other stimuli by the way?

    You have already experienced this state - you just didn't recognize it for what it was and it may have been fleeting. Everyone has experienced it and everyone will experience it - some just enjoy it while it lasts and then forget about it until the next time it happens. It's only a spiritual feeling if the person chooses to perceive it that way. Sometimes it is brought on by extreme stress - the brain shuts down and releases endorphins in hopes of self preservation (this is behind many stories of "seeing God").
    Uncontrolled random states are common indeed for people, but it's the ability to voluntarily enter them, control them and use them for appropriate situations, that's what's interesting.

    I think there are many paths to choose from - all leading to the same destination.
    As usually .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planeswalker View Post
    This is right, after experimenting with it further, i can tell that the condition that is more interesting is when the bliss starts to pass but you still feel very connected to the outside world and your inner world. I think it's more beneficial for the usual life than the feeling of pure enjoyment with no bounds. .
    Cool


    Hmm, it is not very reassuring if even people like Dalai Llama have to constantly struggle with negative emotions, =( for some reason i'm quite sure that given enough practice, you can get rid of them alltogether, at least for the periods of solutude, where there are no strongly influencing outside negative factors. Isn't it mind over matter, after all?
    Hmm I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. My point was that as functional humans we all struggle with emotions from time to time. What I mean by that is even when you learn how to control and direct your emotions, there will be times when they will still challenge you. Of course, you will have the knowledge and skills to know what to do with them when they do challenge you and so the effect will be minimized. Mastering a skill does not mean that you will never be challenged in using it.

    I agree about the act by choice decisions, and trying to do so in everyday life too. Only problem is the post-effect, sometimes even if you react propertly, after a while a feeling of negative reflection on the situation occurs, for example if one voluntarily chooses not to participate in discussion which turned into "fight for power" type argument, human nature still punishes you for backing down based on "alpha-beta-gamma" class system, even if the mind understands that there was no logical point or profit to be had from going with the pointless argument and winning it. I think that if I ever manage to reach some higher state of mind for everyday life, it will be much easier to stay out of such conflicts in life and never regret it, because you not only "think" its wise, but truly feel it constantly, which makes all the difference.
    While the skills you are practicing do have their advantages and benefits, dealing with conflicts and life circumstances require a slightly different set of skills. The being calm and in a good frame of mind is essential - absolutely! The next skill has to do with being able to shift your perception of an event, especially if it bothers you.

    For example: a coworker snaps at you. One perception could lead you to feeling angry and hurt, while another perception could lead you to feeling compassion for the coworker. The first perception is that your coworker attacked you - what a jerk! The second perception is that your coworker must be having a really bad day. In the first case, the perceptual choice was to take the act personally. In the second case, the perceptual choice was not to take it personally. Being able to shift your perception allows you to detach from certain emotional situations and it also allows you to view a situation from another person's point of view (which can be very useful).

    Can you see where having additional skills can increase choices in behavioral response?

    Hmm, you may be right about this, what's interesting to me is this - using drugs weakens the bodily ability to generate endorphins, but what about meditative practices?
    Sometimes the body does not have enough chemicals of it's own and so supplementation is necessary. For example: Diabetes & Insulin, Under-active thyroid. Serotonin is a brain chemical that is often deficient and antidepressants help by keeping the serotonin you have in your system circulating throughout your system longer.

    With endorphins - the drugs that people need to be careful with (and I'm not saying to avoid them just be careful with the use of them) is pain killers.

    Serotonin is a brain chemical that also causes one to feel happy and at peace with the world.


    I am practicing a bit modified taoist "Inner smile" technique for quite a few years to control my mood, and it's effect only grows stronger with time, the feeling is easier to reenter and feels more stable.
    While the overall sensation of this practice is weaker than the "connection to the universe" feeling, wouldn't that be the same if you kept reentering and practicing it?
    You tell me. After all, you are the expert in your method.

    Ouch, i think it'd be better to stay out of prison and hospital =).
    A wise decision.


    This sounds like the micro-cosmic orbit technique, but with different focus, it might work if i'll be able to shift focus to other condition, thank you for the suggestion
    I don't know the micro-cosmic orbit technique. The method I speak of is from NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming).

    Wow, if you practice since 80's then you may as well be one .
    Can you reenter it with same depth without AVS/other stimuli by the way?
    LOL Not even close to being one. In the 80's, I experimented with many recreational drugs. It was through this I entered that particular ASC where one feels like they understand everything in the universe. While this was an interesting state, I can't see how one could maintain it and stay sane. I'm definitely NOT recommending anyone to try this with drugs - it's way too dangerous these days and permanent brain damage and/or psychosis could result.

    The state of mind that I can enter at will (without drugs) is that one of peace and balance. Living in the moment - silent mind - etc. It does produce a sense of joy (maybe bliss) but it's definitely a passive state as opposed to an active state. I can not do this and "think" at the same time. By "Think" I mean answer email or solve problems ... that sort of thing.

    Uncontrolled random states are common indeed for people, but it's the ability to voluntarily enter them, control them and use them for appropriate situations, that's what's interesting.
    Absolutely!

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    Hmm I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. My point was that as functional humans we all struggle with emotions from time to time. What I mean by that is even when you learn how to control and direct your emotions, there will be times when they will still challenge you. Of course, you will have the knowledge and skills to know what to do with them when they do challenge you and so the effect will be minimized. Mastering a skill does not mean that you will never be challenged in using it.
    I agree with the skill reducing the amount of effort nessesary to keep balance part, however i'm wondering if it is possible to ascend above those negative emotions alltogether.

    While the skills you are practicing do have their advantages and benefits, dealing with conflicts and life circumstances require a slightly different set of skills. The being calm and in a good frame of mind is essential - absolutely! The next skill has to do with being able to shift your perception of an event, especially if it bothers you.

    For example: a coworker snaps at you. One perception could lead you to feeling angry and hurt, while another perception could lead you to feeling compassion for the coworker. The first perception is that your coworker attacked you - what a jerk! The second perception is that your coworker must be having a really bad day. In the first case, the perceptual choice was to take the act personally. In the second case, the perceptual choice was not to take it personally. Being able to shift your perception allows you to detach from certain emotional situations and it also allows you to view a situation from another person's point of view (which can be very useful).

    Can you see where having additional skills can increase choices in behavioral response?
    The situation you brought up is an interesting example, quite common in today's life. The options you described for cases are such:
    First option - you take it personally and allow the situation to influence you heavily, this way you can lose alot of energy, especially if you snap back.
    Second option - you understand that in this situation the coworker is in bad condition and you choose not to take it personally, you resolve the situation.
    But you still lose energy this way, literally - usually i feel drained after dealing with such situations, even while keeping on cool and understanding mode of thinking.

    Now, those two are the choices people are able make without any special training. I understand that with training calmness it is possible to lower the negative influence of that situation during second reaction.
    What about this:

    Third option - you are in the state of mind where you feel one with the world, the agression of your co-worker cannot touch you at all because you no longer know what that emotion is. In fact, your high spirits can influence him/her to change his/her own condition instead of snapping at you. I wonder if this one is possible?


    Sometimes the body does not have enough chemicals of it's own and so supplementation is necessary. For example: Diabetes & Insulin, Under-active thyroid. Serotonin is a brain chemical that is often deficient and antidepressants help by keeping the serotonin you have in your system circulating throughout your system longer.

    With endorphins - the drugs that people need to be careful with (and I'm not saying to avoid them just be careful with the use of them) is pain killers.

    Serotonin is a brain chemical that also causes one to feel happy and at peace with the world.
    Interesting information, i'm hearing that more and more people are using andtidepressants, but i still think that the feeling of happiness and peace should have some "roots" in some knowledge, experience or awareness rather just to be induced by chemicals, otherwise one'd have to take them for all life long.


    You tell me. After all, you are the expert in your method.
    Haha, no expertise - i only try to use what helps where it helps . Why i mentioned is though, is that i think with practice even such strong feeling such as bliss can be prolonged and kept, if a proper method is found of course.

    I don't know the micro-cosmic orbit technique. The method I speak of is from NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming).
    Ah, it's a qigong technique where you try to visualise and to feel the flow of energy flowing from main sources and circling around the body. Something like this:


    I thought of it right after you mentioned imagining the feeling flowing in circular motion around the body. Interesting, those techniques are mostly different only in what you try to visualize


    LOL Not even close to being one. In the 80's, I experimented with many recreational drugs. It was through this I entered that particular ASC where one feels like they understand everything in the universe. While this was an interesting state, I can't see how one could maintain it and stay sane.
    I'm definitely NOT recommending anyone to try this with drugs - it's way too dangerous these days and permanent brain damage and/or psychosis could result.
    Absolutely agree with you on this one, i think that such states reached from using LSD/extasy/psylocibe type drugs are very uncontrolled because they are too unnaturally induced, not much profit can be had from those and the danger of damaging the brain/shifting to heavier drugs is quite high.

    I didn't experience the described state of bliss with drugs however, heaviest thing i tried in youth was amphetamine, didn't like the feeling of total loss of control over mind when lasting for quite a long period of time and decided to stop at that. However, i feel that we can move this topic from damaging drugs experience to healing meditative altered state of mind experience

    What about with AVS stimuli, did you feel something similar to the "universe unity" with Theta sessions?

    After Theta, especially Delta, there can sometimes be felt almost alarming feeling of loss of control, but not when reaching the condition i described, there you feel on the contrary, in total control of everything around and enjoying the state.

    The state of mind that I can enter at will (without drugs) is that one of peace and balance. Living in the moment - silent mind - etc. It does produce a sense of joy (maybe bliss) but it's definitely a passive state as opposed to an active state. I can not do this and "think" at the same time. By "Think" I mean answer email or solve problems ... that sort of thing.
    Great state to recharge and recover, right?
    Aha, almost the same problem i described in topic starter post here, once I start doing activity that requires logic, all meditative state fades away.
    But I find it somewhat easier to maintain such states longer after ~23pm, when brain naturally shifts towards lower frequencies of function. Did you try
    prolonging such state at night, also entering it with open eyes/ during some activity?

    Question: Your name on the forum is "Planswalker" - does this name have a special meaning to you?
    Hmm, i thought it might be a fitting name for the place where people are sharing experiences of expanding state of mind and feeling things outside the usual beta-awareness. Because i share this interest . Why do you ask though?

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