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thewolfrey
thank you so much for your reply I appreciate your level of understanding. (I am not sure how to do the quote box so forgive me) I would like to add to some of the things I said and answer some of your questions.
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The fun part I have with the research that I do is connecting the dots and finding where things fit in the bigger picture.
Yes this is fun.
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Lets start with Chi. Our ancient eastern brothers and sisters through the art of touch noticed a flow of energy that moves through our bodies in a very distinct pattern. through multiple observations they located what we now know as meridian lines. these lines follow a very repeatable and accurate location throughout the whole body.
The problem I have in accepting this as fact is that this energy is not spoken of in any medical texts, nor have I ever seen any research that validates this energy.
The second problem I have is with "ancient knowledge". Ancients believed all kinds of things that have been found to have no merit ... so why should we believe this particular thing?
Having said that, some people swear by acupuncture and others by energy healing. In the end, if this is what someone wants to try and if they find benefit in it - I'm not sure how much it matters on whether it's real or not. On the other hand, it would be awful for someone with a life-threatening condition to rely on "ancient medicine" alone.
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You more then likely know what I am talking about. they are so sure that they exist that to practice any form of bodywork you are required to go to medical school even to practice the most basic form of shiatsu or reflexology not to mention acupuncture. Thanks to modern science and the ability to dissect the human body our scientist and doctors have found the anatomical equivalent of these lines.
In Canada - medical school is not a requirement to practice alternative medicine. There are some medical doctors though that also practice natural medicine but the "natural medicine" isn't part of the medical school curriculum - as far as I know.
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There is a single all encompassing structure that wraps it self around every cell, every bone and muscle, and every organ in one continues loop it is called fascia. Without it the human body would be a kind of glob of soft tissue and calcium deposits with no shape or structure. If you where to take everything out of the body that wasn't fascia we could not only recognize you as a person. Also as who you are you friends and loved ones would still know who you are. Some of this fascia creates dense lines throughout the body these lines follow the same pattern as the meridian lines of old. Interestingly enough our nerves system blends into this fascial system so it can have access to our entire body. to keep everything alive and functioning.
Concerning Chi. the denser portions of fascia have less electrical resistance so the nerve impulse can reach its desired location more efficiently. Our eastern brother simply gave the name "Chi" to the electrical flow throughout our body. A real and scientificly mensurable energy source. all living things have this energy running through them without it there would be no life.
The art of Tai Chi teaches you how to move that energy throughout the body at will (if you find the right teacher).
Now on spirit. first we need to know what spirit is to understand its scientific validatidy . I like to put spirit and ether on the same pedestal it makes it easier to find and understand its substance.
Our wonderful people in the scientific comunity have painstakingly chopped matter down to its tiniest parts to try and find the how and why to existence and reality. In this search we have came across and interesting phonominon. Deep within matter it self there is an ever present (for lack of a better word) hum that resonates throughout all relms of reality. it is one frequency that connects every thing to every thing. The Tibetan name for it is Ohm. I know you have herd of it. you remember my statment. "Remember that we are but a tiny part of an ever present infinite whole." that infinite whole is the hum I speak of. that hum is the spirit and the ether all in one. without them there would be nothing. that hum is a lot like the fascia that runs throughout our bodies. it is the connective tissue that holds reality together.
Interesting explanation - thank you. This is beyond my knowledge. I study the mind more so than the body.
That is an interesting point about the frequency associated with the chant of "Ohm". I recall reading something about this ... I think it falls in the Alpha range - though I can't think of the specific frequency off hand.
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On the topic of schizophrenia. I do apologize for the insult. Let me try to explain why I feel that way.
The common symptoms are why I feel that it is an inability to prosses divine awareness.
That's assuming that "divine awareness" exists beyond one's personal belief system.
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But first lets have a look at the science that studies the mind and consciousness, psychology. To begin with consciousness is an intangible substance that cannot be measured by any known means as of yet.
Consciousness can be measured with EEG. That is, if you are associating consciousness with brain function.
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As per you statement on energy and belief that would put this respectable science deep in the belief a opinion category. Yet unlike alchemy and magick (just to name a few) it has reached the same place that chemistry and physics has in most scientific circles. How? I don't have the slightest idea. but it has none-the-less.
MRI, PET and EEG scans are all able to detect brain activation due to thinking. We are able to prove beyond a doubt that we can think. Our brain function is soley responsible for our ability to think. Remove the brain and there is no more consciousness or thought ... or life.
anyways schizophrenia.
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some of the symptoms are seeing, hearing, smelling, ECT. things that no one else can. as well as magickal thinking as you said before. I have studied mysticism for over half my life. I see, hear, feel, smell things that no one else can and any one who studies the Arcane Arts can a-test to the same symptoms.
We all engage in hallucination frequently. Think about how many times you've looked for something and couldn't find it ...only to find it later right under your nose. That's a negative hallucination. Auditory and visual hallucinations are also quite common. They become a problem when they become too frequent and interfere with one's ability to function in society. In other words, while it's normal to hallucinate some, it's not normal to hallucinate most of the time or for long periods of time. To hallucinate in a way that you lose touch with reality.
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Schizophrenia is the diagnosis when these so called hallucination and delusions interfere with your ability to function in "normal" reality(AKA inability to prosses divine awareness). In our ancient past these people where held in the highest regard as psychics, sages, medicine men and so on. Great kings and the like would not move forward with any plan before consulting these schizophrenics a they are called today.
I still hold these special few in the highest regard. I am also appalled by the fact that society medicates and institutionalizes these people instead of embracing there gifts and teaching them how to use them.
By the way one of my uncles is a diagnosed schizophrenic and heavily medicated. There are Many mental disorders that i think are gifts that we as a people are loosing because of the so called need to medicate and turn them "normal"
Schizophrenia has different degrees of severity. Some people can not function without being a danger to themselves and others and so they need to take anti-psychotic drugs.
I knew of one girl who had schizophrenia and her appliances would have conversations with her. Not a bit harmful thing. However, the schizophrenia would cause her also to go into cleaning frenzies where she would throw away furniture and house hold items, wash the cat food and paint everything white. Not healthy.
I didn't know her that well and I don't know if the drugs made her life much better. In some ways it did and in other ways it didn't but there weren't other alternatives because you can't have someone living in a house with no furniture and scrubbing cat food.
In some of the minor cases of schizophrenia, the person may not need medication but may need some supervision. They may not pay their bills, bath or take proper care of themselves.
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on fact and opinion. I would like you to convince a devout religious person that there "belief" is not a fact. no amount of evidence you have to prove or disprove anything will change what someone believes is true if they aren't willing to change there perspective. that doesn't mean that my statement is any less true or false. I just hope you better understand why i think in that way.
Just because someone thinks their belief is a fact does not make it a fact. Beliefs are the most difficult things to change. Our unconscious mind is set up to validate and support our beliefs. Still ... it doesn't have anything to do with truth. We are capable of believing false things as well as true things. A belief is a personal conviction of truth not an actual factual truth. There is a difference.
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If it wasn't for critical thinking and questioning everything I would have never come to the conclusions I have reached.
I took a course on critical thinking in college and the fun thing about the art of argumentation (in critical thinking not fight arguments) is that the argument is all about being the most convincing and to be logically sound. You lose points in the argument if your statement can be shown to be "unsound" because of faulty reasoning. It doesn't mean whoever wins the argument speaks the truth - it just means that they were most convincing and used sound reasoning or didn't get caught using flawed reasoning.
What it's done for me is make me look at what someone is saying and what support or reasoning they are using. Some statements look like they make sense when you read them or hear them but if you examined the statement, you may find flaws in logic.
I'm by no means an expert at this, nor are all of my statements logically sound. It's just a good exercise in thinking.
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the fun part I think with all this info is that my knowledge is all ways changing and growing I add and subtract to my data base every day. there have been a many of time I contradicted my self and not bean able to express why. I'd like to think that I am all ways changing like the sands of a beach.
Me too! I think to have a truly open mind, you have to be willing to consider other perspectives. It doesn't mean you have to believe them but you have to be willing to give up your beliefs if they don't meet your challenge. That - is not an easy thing to do!! Been there ... likely will go there again.
Thank you for your conversation.
M.