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I am interested in purchasing a Procyon for myself but also started to think of it in terms of my son who is 13. He's a bit ADHD and I was wondering if any research or experiences have been done with the Procyon (or other machines) as it realtes to it.
Also in that respect what pre buold sessions might be viable...
Thanks for any input
Bill
Hi Bill, I have something similar to ADD, the focus ramping capabilities of the machine is pretty good. The machine itself will not "cure" ADD but it does help. ADD seems to focus on the norepinephrine and dopamine... although, unless he has been truly diagnosed with ADD there is no telling, many kids are wrongly diagnosed...
"Norepinephrine is one of the main neurotransmitters used by the nervous system. Neurotransmitters are chemicals the body uses to communicate between nerve cells. Although there are many neurotransmitters, the main ones involved in ADHD are dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. Ritalin and Dexedrine, the two paradigm stimulant drugs used to treat ADHD both increase the level of dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. That seems to be how they work. Strattera very selectively affects only the norepinephrine pathways. It does not influence the function of other neurotransmitters. "
Many CES machines will up dopamine levels. Fatty acids promote more norepinephrine.
I'd buy one, even for yourself too. I love my procyon.
Hi Bill,
ADHD is one of the conditions that has been researched quite extensively. Neuromedics is one of the companies that is doing research using Light and Sound: http://www.neuromedicstechnology.com/Research.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by BillO
There are a few books out there that discuss treatment of ADHD with Neurofeedback (which uses similar technology including AVS (audio video stimulation)).
What has been found in people that have ADHD is that the Theta range of brainwaves is predominant during a waking state when SMR/Alpha or Beta should be the dominant waves. SMR/Beta waves are what is necessary for concentration, therefore, using an AVS machine (such as the Proteus or Procyon) on Beta/SMR based programs should make a difference.
Of course, everyone is different and ADHD doesn't always affect individuals in the same way as there are sometimes other conditions, for example: depression, bipolar or obsessive compulsive behaviors that can accompany ADHD.
The key for ADD treatment is going to be suppressing the Theta (4-7 Hz) and increasing the SMR/Beta (12 Hz +). The Procyon and Proteus, both have good preset programs in this area.
Biofeedback training is also used to treat ADHD though it is a more active process where AVS is more passive. With biofeedback, you are consciously making the physiological changes in your body (the feedback helps you learn how to do this) while with AVS, the machine is doing it to you. One method is not necessarily better than the other - just different.
Please let us know if you have any more questions.
M.
Hi Gang
Well my Procyon arrived yesterday and I've enjoyed a couple of sessions already. And yes the colors are mezmerizing.
Question in reagrds to my son. Any idea which Session might be beneficial to ADHD?
Thanks for any help
Bill
How old is your son? Does he have any history with seizures or photo sensitivity?Quote:
Originally Posted by BillO
If your son is under the age of 10, I don't know if you should use the Procyon on him without checking with his pediatrician first (or the person who diagnoised the ADD).
If he's clear to go, Program 20 is a 15 minute program that is good to help with concentration.
M.
Thanks Marissa.
He's actually 13...I suspect I'm g0od to go. I'll give it a try.
Quick question. Just did a long Meditation #22. At the end there was a loud buzz sound. Didnt appear to ne connected to anything in particular. Also the session was over...is this normal?
The loud buzz was still there when I put the Procyon back on. I replaced the batteries and that did the trick.
At first I had rechargeable batteries in there. Could that haveen it? Or does taking the batteries out help to reset the unit?
Thanks
Bill
Rechargeables have a lower voltage than regular alkalines so there may be some side effects to that. They also do not last as long as alkalines in the Procyon.
If they are working ok for you, then go ahead and use them, you won't damage the unit by using them, but keep in mind you may experience some weirdness (as you did) now and then.
-Andy.
Thanks for the feedback...I should also invest in an AC USB adapter for the times I'm just sitting at home (which is almost always)
Bill
I have severe ADD and got a Proteus (later upgraded to Procyon) to help calm my mind. I am in law school and it has helped immensely, no more panic attacks, and I have a new "voice" that negates the Automatic Negative Thoughts that accompany ADD.
That said, I have not been able to find a session that is good for calming the mind, stimulating it, then getting my brain excited enough to concentrate. It has been frustrating because when under pressure or stress my mind defaults to any kind of emotional drama for a "fix". End result: I dont get work done.
Can anyone suggest a session? 15 - 20 mins is key since time is so short for me.
Has anyone had any personal experience with using the Procyon for ADD? Any good tips, tricks, strategies, etc for sessions, i.e. what should i 'dream' about during a session?
Any help would be HIGHLY appreciated.
I can unequivocally say that the AVS has saved my life.
Hi Rooz,
Thank you for letting us know how you have managed some aspects of your ADD with the Proteus and Procyon. It's always good to hear such things and it's also encouraging for anyone else who has similar problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooz739
On the Proteus, I recommend Program 20.
On the Procyon, I recommend Program 5 or 6. Try program 6 first. It gives you a good 15 minute session with Alpha/SMR.
Try these programs and let me know the results. If you don't like them or you don't get the results you want, I can suggest something else. At the moment though, these are the best candidates for you.
M.
Hi Marisa,
Actually, a classmate wanted to purchase the Proteus from me after he tried it so I sold it to him and then bought the Procyon.
On the Proteus I did use "concentration" (#20) a lot. One time, it was after I was on the cusp of a panic attack (brought on by ADD-induced Automatic Negative Thoughts), I used session #20 and had almost a religious experience. The light pulses all merged and it was like I was in a pool of golden light - each pulse was a ripple. I then heard my voice, but not me, speaking to me, telling me very positive things. I've since dubbed that "reasonable me." I can't bring it on at will, but it definitely started me on the right track to end the ADD-anxiety and see my condition and its manifestations for what they were.
That said, I haven't found a similar session on Procyon. I see all the converted Proteus-to-Procyon. That means I can run the proteus sessions on the procyon, right? (I haven't even begun to tinker with the software-side of the device)
I have used 5 and 6 on the Procyon, the results are moderate. What brainwave frequencies should I strive for? Beta?
What other sessions do you recommend?
Thanks for the feedback btw.
Wow, that was quite the experience!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooz739
Well, I think that experience you had was one of those things that is difficult to repeat because it had something to do with the state of mind you were in at the time and the combination of the AVS machine just hit it right. Having said that, anything is possible and you may be able to get there again one day.Quote:
That said, I haven't found a similar session on Procyon. I see all the converted Proteus-to-Procyon. That means I can run the proteus sessions on the procyon, right? (I haven't even begun to tinker with the software-side of the device)
The book I have says Beta, 16 - 24 or 28 Hz. Program 7 targets 12 to 18 with a BB of 12. That may work.Quote:
I have used 5 and 6 on the Procyon, the results are moderate. What brainwave frequencies should I strive for? Beta?
Program 13 targets 16 Hz to 30 Hz. It's mostly 16 Hz. That may be what you need.
Beta can be a tricky thing, too much for too long can make a person a bit anxious however, people with ADD or ADHD are really low on Beta waves so a bit more in this case may actually be helpful.
Program 49 is designed for entertainment but it does go through the full spectrum from 6 hz to 75. If you are feeling brave, try it and see if it kicks out another one of those "near religious" experiences. ;)
Also ... on the recommended programs, you may have to do them on a regular basis and see if there is improvement over a few days. Please do get back to me and let me know your results. I'm sure this will be helpful also to others who experience similar problems.
M.
Which book are you referring to? I'd love to learn more about brain frequenciesQuote:
Originally Posted by Marisa
I highly recommend reading the "AVS Articles" from here: https://mindplacesupport.com/articles/Quote:
Originally Posted by SCI-TRIX
Start with "AVS Technology".