Is these normal?
We can't use Procyon more then 80 min?
Even conected via USB it stop, no ligth at all.
Best Regards
Carlos Barreto
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Is these normal?
We can't use Procyon more then 80 min?
Even conected via USB it stop, no ligth at all.
Best Regards
Carlos Barreto
Hi Carlos,
Um none of the programs are longer than 60 minutes so how are you using the procyon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Barreto
M.
Hi Marisa,Quote:
Originally Posted by Marisa
In AS mode.
Carlos
You're using it in AS mode and lasting 80 mins?
I know it is designed to shutdown in AS mode after a certain amount of time, but I thought it was 60 mins.
The idea was for it to be long enough for an AudioStrobe CD or something.
But yeah - it does shut down eventually.
Regards
Caleb
If is designed to shutdown when in use, not in standby, these means that is dangerous the use for more time?Quote:
Originally Posted by caleb
Regards
Carlos
Ah - I found it in the manual.
On/off and power-saving.
For AS or DAS sessions, the device will power off after 80 minutes.
Is this dangerous? Well it means you should plan around the 80 minutes if you want to make sure a session is completed before shutdown.
If it does stop mid-session I guess that depends on the contents of the session.
Marisa would be able to comment more on hypnosis scripts being interrupted.
I do think there are certain types of session referred to as "no time" sessions which are probably better avoided or adjusted if they go on for more than 80 mins.
Most sessions should be OK though and if you're feeling a big groggy you can probably run a smaller session just to align the brainwaves to the state you wish to be in.
Eg. if you want to be calm and relaxed probably something around 10Hz or if you want to be able to concentrate of something like driving a car, possibly 14Hz.
Alot of this I've read from a book so Andy or Marisa should be able to jump in and clarify if I've got anything particularly wrong.
Regards
Caleb
Hi Carlos--we extended the AS shutdown time to 80 minutes, in order to accomodate most of the longer CDs now on the market. This is normal and is intended to conserve battery life, for those who have fallen asleep during the session.
Do you think we should extend this period? If so, how long?
-Robert
Hi Carlos,
No, it's not dangerous to use it longer than 80 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Barreto
There have been many studies conducted on the safety of Neurofeedback (which is closely related) and there are no adverse affects reported that will do any damage to the person. After prolonged use (let's say more than 3 hours), at worse, you may get a headache or feel groggy which will clear up on it's own.
M.
Ooops - I think I misread Carlos' question.
Just while I was on it though - can there be any effects if Procyon shuts down before a session is completed. Refer to my previous post on the subject.
I'm curious myself if there should be any concern with sessions cut short.
I think most should not be a problem and might leave you groggy at worst, ready for a bit of a booster session to clear your head.
But I'm interested if there are any types of sessions which you should not cut short.
In particular, I'm wondering if you can suffer from going through only part of a session with scripting. Marisa - would you have any ideas about this?
Regards
Caleb
Nope. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by caleb
No, there isn't anything to worry about. Even if you are in a very deep trance and it gets interrupted, the worse thing that can happen is that you feel a bit spacey for a few minutes.Quote:
In particular, I'm wondering if you can suffer from going through only part of a session with scripting. Marisa - would you have any ideas about this?
M.
Hi Marisa,
I was thinking more along the lines of an actual script being interrupted.
I'm not sure of all the possibilities that could be in a script that you run, but is it feasible that you could be in the middle of setting something up via suggestion and an interruption to that bringing negative results?
My imagination is running rampant with the "When I click my fingers you will come out of the trance!" not actually occurring - or any other more realistic script finalisation etc...
If I had some important words that needed to be heard towards the end of the script to finalise the session, my instinct would be to make sure that those words were heard, but I don't know if there's a possibility of negative impact to the subject in the situation that it doesn't happen.
Regards
Caleb
Hi Caleb,
No harm. The person would naturally come out of the trance. No ill effects, especially if it's self hypnosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleb
Well in a counseling situation using hypnosis/NLP, I could get a person to bring up a troubling memory and if they came out of the trance before we could add resources, then I would either re-induce the trance or I would take them through an NLP procedure and finish what I started. This is not something that you'll ever have to worry about because your situation is different.Quote:
I'm not sure of all the possibilities that could be in a script that you run, but is it feasible that you could be in the middle of setting something up via suggestion and an interruption to that bringing negative results?
For what you want (and in all cases) it's important to use positive language and tell the mind what you want (as opposed to telling it what you don't want).
If you come out of the trance half way through your OBE script, you'll be fine. There is no possibility of leaving yourself disconnected half way through as the astral will always return to the body - with or without being commanded when you are about to wake up. If that was a concern. Again, at worst - you may feel slightly disorientated and need to sit for a few minutes. You may feel out of sorts and that will be corrected as soon as you either go back into a trance or go to sleep. Any uncomfortable effects are temporary.
In stage hypnosis, the person's trance is constantly being interrupted and then put under again. The only effect that happens with doing this is each time the person is interrupted and put back into a trance, the trance deepens. For some people, it brings them out of the trance completely and they usually end up returning to their seats. There are no lasting effects on the participant in a stage show.Quote:
My imagination is running rampant with the "When I click my fingers you will come out of the trance!" not actually occurring - or any other more realistic script finalisation etc...
A post hypnotic suggestion, is a suggestion given at the end of a session that is to be carried out after the person exits the trance state. It is like a hidden little program in the person's mind that will activate when the trigger is set off. However, the unconscious mind will refuse the command if what is asked goes against the person's values or beliefs, so you can never give someone a post hypnotic or hypnotic suggestion to, for example, kill someone (unless they have it in them to do so).
A good post hypnotic suggestion to give yourself may be something like: "And anytime I wish to experience being out of my body, I will easily and comfortably be able to slip in and out of this state at will." And/or "Upon awakening I will always feel alert and in the best mood I've ever experienced."
You can brain wash someone to do horrible things but that is a totally different procedure which is much more complicated than simple hypnosis.
You can always put those words in the beginning, repeat them in the middle and then also at the end. So even in the middle of the session, you can add - for example - "When it's time to come out of my trance, I will remember everything I have experienced with clarity and detail." From there you can continue what you were talking about. For example: after you say that, "You will now go deeper and the deeper you allow yourself to go, the easier it will be to connect with that part of your mind that runs the OBE experiences....".Quote:
If I had some important words that needed to be heard towards the end of the script to finalise the session, my instinct would be to make sure that those words were heard, but I don't know if there's a possibility of negative impact to the subject in the situation that it doesn't happen.
If you are unsure of the wording in your script, it is an open offer for you to run it by me either privately or on the forum.
Your questions are good ones and very valid. I'm sure there are others who are wondering the same thing so continue to ask away. :)
M.
Hi RobertQuote:
Originally Posted by Robert Austin
I use Neuro-Programmer 2 Professional with music compilations more and less 150 m.
It's possible cut the instruction to shutdown the Procyon when connected via USB?
Regards
Carlos
I'm with Carlos - I don't use batteries if I can help it. Hate them for things like this. I'm plugged into the wall or into my laptop most of the time.
I reckon battery users should just suffer if they fall asleep. :eusa_dance:
OK - maybe that's a bit harsh (ya think?), but is it possible to detect the device being powered through the USB and make the decision based on that as Carlos has asked? I don't know if I'll want to build sessions over 80 minutes using something like Brainwave Generator (or NP2 if I decide to buy it in the end), but it is feasible in the future.
Regards
Caleb
So the shut off feature is actually a good thing then. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by caleb
Not harsh at all. I think that is a good suggestion. :)Quote:
OK - maybe that's a bit harsh (ya think?), but is it possible to detect the device being powered through the USB and make the decision based on that as Carlos has asked?
For all you battery users out there - think rechargeable! :eusa_dance:
M.