I have started using cranial electro therapy stimulation to help with pain.
Is there any benefit from using it at the same time as my Kasina or will one cancel out the other?
Many thanks is :eusa_think:
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I have started using cranial electro therapy stimulation to help with pain.
Is there any benefit from using it at the same time as my Kasina or will one cancel out the other?
Many thanks is :eusa_think:
They shouldn't cancel each other out. CES generally uses 1 of two frequencies 100hz or 0.5hz. Neither (especially 100hz) occurs often in AVS sessions. I would tend to think that utilizing AVS would make the CES session more pleasant giving you something interesting to focus on.
Thanks again Scott. I have owned the alpha stim for a couple of years now but decided to take it out of mothballs after doing some reading.
I am reading Micheal Hutchison's Megabrain Power, the follow on from Megabrain which I also read. I am also enjoying switching about from closed to open eyes, this time with cotton wool swabs. The colours are truly beautiful. Working on several things including my third eye but that's the trouble with me ....I tend to scatter my energies as I am always in such a hurry to learn more.
I used to own a Gsr 2 biofeedback machine but lost it during a house move. It would have been so useful to me now.
There was one of the Proteus progs I really enjoyed. I think it was mind sauna. It really made me feel as though my brain got a work out. I see it's on the Kasina too
With the huge increase of Altzeimers etc happening I feel that the mind machines are the leading edge.;)
I have a CES device that works with the proteus (not the mind alive product) and the people that sell it, also sells mindplace products. I was dissappointed when I got my kasina that it does not work with the kasina as I do have a David Paradise and using it with the ces is very profound. Light and sound with ces is much more profound than using light and sound alone and makes the experience much more enjoyable.
I am hoping that mindplace develop a ces unit in the near future so I can use it with my kasina because I want to listen to audiostrobe or spectrastrobe ambient music sessions while having ces in synch and while I can do ces with proteus and audiostrobe, Proteus is nowhere near as enjoyable as the Kasina. Using CES and light and sound seperately is hit and miss unless the sound source has a constant frequency, ie 7.83 hz and you have your ces device at 7.83hz, Otherwise, When your music frequency changes then it will no longer be in sync with your CES.
If Kasina develop a ces device to use with the kasina then it will be the absolute best product on the market, I don't agree with those that say kasina for entertainment and mention other for serious applications because as long as you are choosing the correct frequencies for whatever effect that you want ie: pain control. Then the Kasina is just as good if not better for serious applications but has the added entertainment value.
I use 1.5hz for pain control and 0.5hz is good too. I read that 7.83hz is good for chronic fatigue, a couple of sessions a day.
What would be good is that if a ces device was developed to use with the kasina that it was also capable of responding to music with solfeggio frequencies as they are meant to have very good benefits.
We won't be releasing a CES unit as long as they are Class III devices, requiring a prescription in the US. The forest of regulation that you have to navigate is prohibitive.
However, I don't know why you wouldn't be able to use the Kasina with your CES device? It is tracking voltage from the glasses output? Have you tried a single channel color preset? It should work.
"It is tracking voltage from the glasses output?"
I think so, With the ces device. You plug the glasses into the ces unit.
"Have you tried a single channel color preset? It should work. "
Do you mean just use one colour like say Blue? Or do you mean I have to adjust the glasses in some way?
I think I have tried it with just blue and it didn't work, Unless I tried it with blue and green. If you mean to try it with just one colour ie blue then please let me know. If you mean I have to adjust the glasses in some way then let me know and I will try it.
Thanks for your help Scott.
No need to adjust the glasses. The ColorSets send out current along the different lines along the cable. The Kasina is super unique in that it can address any type of glasses (that have a 3.5mm connector) For instance with ColorSets you can use Photosonix glasses even. The one that mimics the Proteus mostly closely is ColorSet 8: R/G. I would try that one first.
Thanks Scott. I am trying it with R/G but it is not working. I am thinking that the polarity of proteus and Kasina must be same, so do not know why it is not working.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuroasis
Tell me the cable setup you have. 3.5mm stereo cable out of the Kasina to the CES unit, then Kasina glasses connected on the other side?
Yes, 3.5 mm cable from the ces unit to the glasses socket of the kasina and the kasina glasses are plugged into the ces unit. The glasses will flash but the ces is not responding. This is the set up to use as instructed by those that sell the ces. It's working on the proteus and works on my david paradise but not on my lovely kasina.
Both red and green flash on the Kasina?
Try other ColorSets, like I said single color ones. If you are talking about the Oasis, then it says it works with Sirius as well. Or you are using another unit? If so, what is it? I will Google it.
I am using the bt master pro unit. A symbol should flash on the ces unit when it is working with the light and sound machine. I can always pm you the pdf instructions if you like.
Thanks so much.
Google "BT Pro LCD and all add ons" that shows the unit, I can send a link but maybe you do not want a company advertised here. They sell mindplace products
Right I see it, but not the manual yet. PM that to me.
Thanks for your input Mind Voyager.:icon_wink:
I can use my Alpha Stim with my Kasina as it's not connected and simply plays away in the background so to speak. I am fascinated in hearing of how others use their machines even if a lot of it is over my head.
I have learned so much from participating on the forum. (mostly from Scott :icon_pray:)
Recently my purchase of Skullcandy Crushers has allowed me to branch out and listen to tapes while having the benefit of the Kasina. I know that we can play tapes etc through the Kasina but doing it this way enables me to alter the level of input separately. :icon_thumright:
Thanks for your help Scott, I will pm you the instructions.
Hi Scott, I don't see a button for attachments when I go to PM.
If you pm me and email address then I can email it to you.
It's weird that it doesn't work. Like hook your Proteus glasses to the Kasina and you can see how the various ColorSets affect them. Those with Red and Green work fine and as intended. The Proteus is not sending out anything special from the glasses output, just electricity.
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Originally Posted by Moonchild
Thank you so much. I am enjoying your posts also.
For anyone who is interested we figured out that you can send AudioStrobe from the Kasina to the Proteus then let the Proteus decode the lights and send them to the BT Pro for CES sync. You still connect the glasses to the Kasina and this lets us you use ColorSets and enjoy the full color experience.
It is kind of a workaround. I still say that the Kasina should work directly with the BT Pro but I don't have this unit to investigate.
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Originally Posted by neuroasis
Thanks for all your help yesterday Scott, I will get the lead you mentioned to see if I can also play directly because I also want to play spectrastrobe but just getting Kasina progams that are audiostrobe to work with with the ces unit is great in itself. It was very kind of you to take your time to help.
Just to update, I can play spectrastrobe and get ces now using another configuration I figured out from what I learnt originally from Scott, so I want to again thank Scott very much for his help.
Cool. So what did you do that worked?
If you remember last time with the other configuration then I was plugging from the audio of kasina into the ces device, This is a slightly different configuration. The proteus display is set to AS, I have connected a 3.5mm lead from the aux of the proteus to the headphones of the kasina and I also have my earphones connected to the headphones of the kasina by the way of a splitter.
I have a lead from the glasses connection on the proteus going into the ces device and I have the kasina glasses plugged into the kasina as usual, I am playing the spectrastrobe tracks on the kasina and using the kasina as the audio source.
Now it is working with lots of the spectrastrobe tracks and you get the flashing sun symbol but there are some spectrastrobe tracks that for some reason it is not working. For some reason the spectrastrobe is being recognised by the audiostrobe setting on the proteus and this in turn is allowing the ces to work, but on other tracks this is not working which is strange. It's working on a lot of tracks but the odd track here or there it doesn't for this configuration.
What is likely happening is that it is following the Green channel in SpectraStrobe. This is the same as the AudioStrobe signal frequency. So when an SS session contains green then the Proteus and thus the CES device will respond. Note that this might not be the 'main' entrainment frequencies of the SS session. You can tell a bit by watching the lights to see if Green is a dominant pulse.
Thanks Scott, I will look out for that and see if that is why it is intermittent and works for some spectrastrobe tracks and not others.
Hi scott, i tested it and even when green is present then it is intermittent with ces working in sync and other tracks no response, with submerge level 1 in night voyager you get a response but nightshift in the same folder you get nothing but it works with Dream. I tried weaver in mind art and that has plenty of green but nothing, it works with before learning in the accelerate folder but others in the same folder with green present, it doesn't. And some other tracks with green work and some with green don't.
i did a configuration with the kasina as the music source and used some spectra tracks that work with the ces when linked to the proteus but this time i linked them all with the device of another company i wont mention and was able to play those spectrastrobe tracks through their device and using their glasses and got enjoyable visual effects and getting the ces which was linked to the proteus. It is a lot of fun experimenting.
To be sure not to confuse anyone, SpectraStrobe green is the same frequency as AudioStrobe, so technically if the devices are sensitive only to the AudioStrobe band then only the green channel will trigger.
However many devices take a less precise route and simply apply a high pass filter at a certain point say 18khz or 19khz and track anything above that.
In that case other color channels in a SS signal might trigger. Although the overall effect is less predictable and certainly not as programmed.
Sorry Scott, My last post was misleading, The ambiguity of language, When I said that I got those spectrastrobe tracks to play through the configuration with the device of the other manufacturer, Then I am talking about the spectrastrobe tracks that were already playing with ces in the previous configuration, The spectrastrobe tracks that were not playing before did not work with ces when i did the configuration with the device of other company either, Only the ones that worked previously were working, I probably did not explain clearly as I was tired.
Hey Mind Voyager,
I wonder, the machine you have tracks the frequency of the Proteus right? Have you tried the Proteus in alternating mode? Go to USr and set a frequency then push the middle button, the little dots on the display will alternate right and left when in this mode. What does the CES machine do then? Does it track at double the frequency? If so you should be able to get 100hz CES stimulation from the Proteus as it maxes out at 50hz. Just curious.
Scotto
Hi Scott,
Yes I have tried the USr mode with the ces before and it worked, The CES plays back at the frequency of the proteus, I think you have to select at least double on the ces to get the tracking so if I select USr of 50hz on the proteus and the 100hz setting on the ces then I will still only get the ces playback at 50hz. I will try it later though and see what happens.